In this 2024 kick-off episode, we jump into the beautiful, sometimes messy world of community engagement and social justice work alongside Tzedek's newest team member, Tera Coffey. In sharing her experience of working in the government grind to navigating the nuts and bolts of nonprofits, Tera's experience speaks to the innate truths and challenges of staying true to oneself while still pushing for collective progress. From the United Way to CoThinkk, and now as the Director of Community-Led Grantmaking at the Tzedek Social Justice Fund. Her comfort zone is that sweet spot where heart meets action. Our conversations take us from the personal to the professional as we unpack what it means to authentically connect with others, and how we can hold space for tough conversations without losing our cool or compassion.
About Tera: Tera Coffey kickstarted her career as an organizer focused on creating impactful messaging and building strong community-driven outreach while leading Get Out The Vote (GOTV) campaign operations during the 2016 Presidential election in Florida and the 2020 election in Detroit. Her government experience includes legislative policy analysis and strategy, communication development, and constituent and organizational relationship building in Texas at both state and county levels. She brings her passion for racial equity and relationship cultivation to her philanthropic service, consulting with Western North Carolina-based funders as a facilitator and thought partner in building grant systems and accountability measures necessary to drive deep, systemic change.
Whether you're here for our perspective on what binds us in the work for collective liberation or just curious about the latest and greatest from the Tzedek universe, this episode's buzzing with real talk and real solutions. So come on in, the water's great—just ask Tera about her bath goodies—and let's soak up some transformative ideas together.
We'll see you same time, same place next month. Until then, peace.
In this 2024 kick-off episode, we jump into the beautiful, sometimes messy world of community engagement and social justice work alongside Tzedek's newest team member, Tera Coffey. In sharing her experience of working in the government grind to navigating the nuts and bolts of nonprofits, Tera's experience speaks to the innate truths and challenges of staying true to oneself while still pushing for collective progress. From the United Way to CoThinkk, and now as the Director of Community-Led Grantmaking at the Tzedek Social Justice Fund. Her comfort zone is that sweet spot where heart meets action. Our conversations take us from the personal to the professional as we unpack what it means to authentically connect with others, and how we can hold space for tough conversations without losing our cool or compassion.
About Tera: Tera Coffey kickstarted her career as an organizer focused on creating impactful messaging and building strong community-driven outreach while leading Get Out The Vote (GOTV) campaign operations during the 2016 Presidential election in Florida and the 2020 election in Detroit. Her government experience includes legislative policy analysis and strategy, communication development, and constituent and organizational relationship building in Texas at both state and county levels. She brings her passion for racial equity and relationship cultivation to her philanthropic service, consulting with Western North Carolina-based funders as a facilitator and thought partner in building grant systems and accountability measures necessary to drive deep, systemic change.
Whether you're here for our perspective on what binds us in the work for collective liberation or just curious about the latest and greatest from the Tzedek universe, this episode's buzzing with real talk and real solutions. So come on in, the water's great—just ask Tera about her bath goodies—and let's soak up some transformative ideas together.
We'll see you same time, same place next month. Until then, peace.
Speaker 1:
We're profoundly, profoundly interconnected. We don't always live that way, we don't always acknowledge it, but if we're going to heal, we have to live it, experience it and create institutions that celebrate it. Can we create a we where no one's on the outside of it? Welcome to the Uplift with Zedek Real Talk for Real Change. Before we jump in, a quick reminder of why we're here and what we hope to achieve.
Speaker 2:
We're here to build authentic communities. We're here to build authentic community relationships and help fuel social transformation in national North Carolina. We believe collective liberation is not only possible but probable as we share, listen and learn together. We're here for the process. However, the views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of any entities they represent.
Speaker 1:
Hello, hello, hello, Good morning, good people. Welcome to the Uplift with Zedek Today, today. Today today, we have some exciting news to share from the world of Zedek and we also want to share a little bit about what we are going to be doing in 2024. I'm Libby Kyle's, executive director of Zedek Social Justice Fund. I want to welcome you and introduce first our director of communications, Mr.
Speaker 2:
Michael Hoban hey, how's it going?
Speaker 1:
Drum roll please our newest Zedek team member, the director of community. Like grant making, tara Coffee.
Speaker 3:
Hi, hello everyone. Tell us a little bit about yourself, A little bit about myself. So why? What a wide question? Libby, you have to give me something else. What do you want to know?
Speaker 1:
So, tara, tell us a little bit about yourself. Where were you before you came to Zedek?
Speaker 3:
Where was I before I came to Zedek? Okay, so I was with Co-Think as staff, working as the director of impact still a strong Co-Think member and before that I actually was working with United Way and that was the first role I took when I came to Asheville, actually from Houston Texas, my hometown.
Speaker 1:
Awesome. We are so excited to have you as a team member at Zedek. Michael, you want to say anything, I know we're excited, but we're also really fortunate.
Speaker 2:
You bring a lot of skills that we are super excited to have at the table. For real, though, Thank you. Okay so, Tara, community led grant making. Right, there's a keyword in there community. So let's talk about this a little bit because, you know, if we look at our socio-political landscape right now, things are kind of tough. And so community, what does community mean to you? And I'm talking like as an individual.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, community to me has always been that group of people that you can turn to when you really need support. Maybe it looks like being able to be comfortable enough with your neighbors to go and ask for to borrow something or something like that. That's a beautiful thing as well. But actually being able to turn to your neighbors you know, maybe if you're church going or whatever your community may look like it could be you know a sports club, something like that and have hard conversations with them and be held by them, to be able to come together collectively to advocate for yourselves as well. So community looks like, I think, being able to find the solutions to those hard things that happen in life together with a group of people who support you and love you and actually know you.
Speaker 2:
Right, yes, you know, we use that word kind of nonchalantly, as we all agree as to what community means. What about you, libby? Any thoughts out there?
Speaker 1:
Well as the former director of community like grant making. I agree wholeheartedly with your definition of community and I would also add that community for me is plural communities, because I exist in multiple communities and in doing this work of grant making, we will be interacting in multiple communities and all of those places are places where people are working together to ensure that they can thrive and be successful. In Asheville, the larger community so very excited to have you on board, can you share with us any community experiences that you have, you know, related to like this grant making thing, because I know that you've done some things in community.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, yeah in community. I got started in community and really kind of figuring out what that means, outside of being a really active like kid who was super happy to found my own community, so starting clubs and being involved in all that kind of stuff. I was, you know, the head of the Fine Arts and Cultural Events Committee and I found it in my school, you know, because I wanted to be able to get into free museums and if you went with a school you could.
Speaker 1:
So I would do that.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, with a group of friends was how we started it into being really politically active and wanting to get involved. Not knowing how, not having a family who had political connections or anything to do with politics at all, as a baby intern, canvassing for free, knocking doors and learning about what it meant to interact with community who maybe you hadn't really had any connection to before. What does it look like to build together and to get on a level where you can advocate for yourself and your community at the same time? My entry into political organizing through that that canvassing experience really taught me a lot about having hard conversations with community. I went into government after that as a legislative aid for a state legislator in Texas and then in county government. There's this thing that happens when you work in government sometimes where, even though you may be a part of a constituency, you separate yourself.
Speaker 3:
Right. I had to learn how to push past this kind of training where you start to not see yourself as a part of your own community, and it's something I'm very thankful for, because it taught me to advocate for myself at the same time I advocate for my community, because I am a part of that and to not be willing to accept when people want to force me to create a separation in the name of professionalism or expectations, and so that-.
Speaker 1:
I'm sorry, I need to snap.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:
One of the greatest things about being here at Zedek is a realization that, as an individual, you are a part of a community. Yes, you're a part of a community in terms of our work. You're part of a community in terms of what you do. When you walk out of that building and when you come into this building, you bring your community with you. You bring your whole self.
Speaker 3:
Yes, yes, I think that's something that I took with me. As I came to Asheville, I realized one of the biggest things that I was seeking here was community. The very first thing I realized that I really needed was coming at the heels of great personal tragedy I had just lost my father. It was the midst of COVID. It was very isolating, and the thing you need are people to hold you.
Speaker 3:
Yes, when you're going through all that, and so I began to look to build my own personal community and to be in any way helpful to the community that I sought to be a part of here. And so the work that I did I fell into nonprofit, which I had nonprofit work I'd never done in my life. I was government politics girlie all the way.
Speaker 3:
So different.
Speaker 3:
I was really thankful for having done that self work of seeing myself and pushing towards being my authentic self in all the very weird ways that I show up no matter what Right In community.
Speaker 3:
And I found myself working for the United Way, doing community grant making and building out a process there alongside a really excellent team, and then moving into co-think where that's like community, authentic self all the way, all the time, full, all gas, no breaks, right, and having that experience where you really are actively a part of your community, advocating for the growth and the benefit of your community.
Speaker 3:
It was really beautiful to be able to be in this space and still be in this space and be held by community and knowing that the things that I'm fighting for, the things that I want to see to grow and we build in Asheville, are because we want that right, like to know for a fact, not having to go and do some kind of like constituent outreach, what is it that the people want? You know none of that, because I know what I want and I'm in the room when other folks are sharing what they want and that's the same kind of energy and experience that I am bringing to Zedek and I'm excited to bring, as we build the community grant making process, here as well.
Speaker 2:
And first of all shout out to Co-Think All the love. Really amazing work. Yes, and Zedek is a little different than Co-Think right, and so welcome to this new phase.
Speaker 2:
Let's talk a little bit about power dynamics and that fund or grantee relationship. And yet we are all part of a really local community and we're impacted. So let's talk about 2024, because part of our plan is to humanize all aspects the funder, the grantee and really change the core of how we're doing this work, especially on our community engagement piece. So, libby, you want to give us a little bit about what's going down in 2024?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, you stole my thunder. I had worked up this great intro in my head. You could try yours. Maybe yours is better. I filled it, libby, so I am so excited to talk about what Zedek is doing in 2024. And honestly, we are on a journey. We're on a learning journey for ourselves, our grantees and our community. We're on a journey where we're exploring language, we're looking at what things mean. We're making sure that we're having conversations that may be really clear. We are not hosting listening sessions. We're hosting conversation sessions where we're interacting with grantees and community and really trying to get clear on how we do this work in a way that is so humane that there is no mistaking the fact that we are here for all people.
Speaker 2:
So that's the difference, right. We talk about our individual communities and what that means to you and the people. You can call it midnight and be like this happened with my husband Really different from what? As an organization, we are responsible and privileged to gold and for us that's an Asheville where all thrive. So let's talk about why we need to have these conversations a little bit, because this stance and centering humanity is shockingly hard at this time, very much so. So why do we need to have these conversations?
Speaker 1:
So we need to have these conversations, first and foremost because clarity is kindness.
Speaker 1:
It is very important that, as funders, specifically, that we are really clear around our language and why it's important that we honor humanity, zedek. As you know, we have our three focal areas and there's something to be said for making sure that when we are interacting in community, when we are interacting with individual grantees or groups of grantees, that there's an understanding that in the honoring of humanity, that we're not doing harm in any of the areas that we work in right. And so a part of that also has to do with clarity around what our values are. What do we value? What do those values look like in action and what do our grantees value? What does that look like in action and where is their intersection and where is their area for us to grow together in community.
Speaker 1:
Whether it is funder and grantee, funder and community or all three combined, I think it's really important that we also present the human side of Zedek. So we often have conversations about Zedek the funder, but the funder is made up of individual humans who are part of community, and we want to make sure that we are able to show up as our authentic whole selves, engaging in community with trust and, let's be real, the context in which we're practicing philanthropy is the South, the US South, and so what are some of the challenges that we're facing that make these conversations necessary?
Speaker 3:
I think you know we're a social justice organization. I think people have had a lot of that politicized and we sort of get hung up on oh this is, you know, this side wants this, this side wants that Really, at the core of it, and many civil rights leaders have advocated for this. You know we're just past Martin Luther King Day advocating for this idea of injecting love into what we do. Compassion is something that I work really hard at. It's not look, I love a petty moment. You know I'm the first to drag us. Let's both go down together.
Speaker 3:
But it is something that I have been working against because, at the core, you're sitting here thinking how can people not want my community to thrive and to be happy and could just go on about their life right?
Speaker 3:
And it seems as though we have these different, you know, bugs in our ear telling us political things, this group, whatever but at the core of it, it's a lack of compassion and it's based a lot of the time over resources, this false idea of a scarcity of resources which we do not have, and this idea that, because we have a scarcity of resources, we are then not having to be held accountable for a lack of compassion.
Speaker 3:
Taking a humanity centered approach, where we are demanding that everyone have access to equal treatment, that everyone have access to a loving, thriving community, that they are able to utilize the same resources and to advocate and build their own resources, that makes tons of sense, but not when you're looking at it from a lack of compassion, a lens that lacks compassion, and that's something that I've been really focusing on. That's something I hope to bring into the work I do here. But when we have these conversations and we encounter folks who have such a hard time holding humanity at the core to build a lens of compassion with them where possible because it isn't a problem of resources and when we let that go, it's far easier to stop centering ourselves and our fears and to give others the compassion that they deserve Exactly and it is also important as a social justice funder that we are clear that we don't take sides.
Speaker 1:
Our side is the side of all humanity. Our side is with all people. I love that you just mentioned MLK Day, because one of my favorite quotes and I had to look it up to make sure I say it correctly is Dr King said I've decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear, and so it's very important that as we do this work, there is the center on the heart and that's that whole compassion piece. So when we are centering the work around the heart of humanity, around how we are more alike than we are different, if we look at all of our differences, we still have so much more in common than we do different. And if we center heart of humanity in all the work that we do, compassion naturally shows up. Love naturally shows up understanding, naturally shows up the ability to be able to do the three C's maybe not all at the same time, but we learn how to coordinate with each other. We learn how to cooperate with each other. We learn how to collaborate across differences.
Speaker 2:
What I love about this piece, too, is that you actually could be completely lacking in compassion and just get on board with logic, because collective liberation is spoken about like it's this lofty kumbaya moment. It's not. It is truly that I as a queer trans man lacking access to affordable housing, you as a black cisgender woman lacking access to affordable housing we don't need to like hang out and go to the barbecue together to realize that putting our momentum and our votes however that needs to show up together is gonna get us both further. Exactly, we can high five at the end of the day and never speak again, but that should not be a barrier to us working together In our schools. Your son Fed healthy well is better for my daughter in that classroom because she's with students that are also doing well. Like. We affect each other, whether we like each other or not, and it's wild to me to see human rights minimized or diminished to just a matter of like interpersonal relations Do you have enough compassion.
Speaker 2:
Are you too hateful? We're working for systems, change our own system and community healing. So this is why we're here in 2024 to have some conversations around that. So what are you excited about? I have something I'm actually really excited about.
Speaker 3:
You gotta tell us 37.
Speaker 2:
Monford Avenue. Yes, okay, we took over the building. That's pretty cool news, whoop, whoop.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, I love it Taken over. We took over the building.
Speaker 2:
Well, it does. It feels like hey, this is like our home, and our home has some bedrooms that are available for rent. If you are interested, yes, you can go to Zedik, that's TZEDEK socialjusticefundorg, to find out more about that. But, yeah, tell me what you're looking forward to in 2024.
Speaker 1:
Oh my goodness, I am looking forward to so many different things. We've got some events that are going to be happening around 37 Monford, and so I'm excited to invite folks in and to really be a part of learning and growing together. Very excited about what's going to happen toward the end of 2024 too, as we take some trips to Highlander and engage grantees in that way. So those are just a couple of things. I could say more. I don't want to lay it all out, but I'm excited about this journey of learning and growth with Zedik community and our grantees.
Speaker 2:
Because 2024 is also, while exciting, it might be a little tough, and so we really need to root into community.
Speaker 1:
So I'm hoping.
Speaker 2:
That's kind of where my heart and hope is too.
Speaker 1:
We have to dig deeper, like dig deeper into getting beyond the surface level of what trust based philanthropy is and recognizing the reciprocity that exists across relationships. I'm very excited about that and I actually am excited that it's going to be tough.
Speaker 2:
Hey, I like that.
Speaker 1:
No, seriously. So I believe that anything worth having. Sometimes it's a little work to get to it right. There have been times when I've been opposed to going into situations that I know are going to be embattled, and it's going to be hard and we've got to have these courageous conversations. But I'm looking forward to all of these conversations. I'm looking forward to being in the muck Because when we come out of it, there's a clarity that's going to exist, and I'm excited for that clarity True.
Speaker 3:
Now I have a different vision, but in my head I'm sitting here thinking couple nerds ready for the advanced classes, chipping over one of them I'm already studying. I'm excited to get to work in developing with community a community led grants process. It's really exciting work and people have incredible ideas sometimes that are really lofty and really out there, and it's actually really exciting. Let me share your excitement for the, for the hard stuff, because I think in traditional philanthropy, the idea of revamping a grants process and hearing some of the lofty goals and lofty ideas people have, they get put down and it's like, oh, they don't have experience with grant making, they don't know.
Speaker 3:
And what if we actually reach for this really wild, different way of doing things?
Speaker 1:
What could?
Speaker 3:
that look like for a community, and it's. It's just thrilling to think that we the three of us here and our community get to be a part of building something for ourselves, completely for ourselves, that is based in our own vision. So that's, I'm really looking forward to that. Can't wait. Can't wait. Talk about hard processes. It's going to be, I think, very fun. I'm also not afraid of hard conversations, so we'll get in it, We'll see. We'll see what shakes out. It'll be great.
Speaker 1:
And I want to give a quick shout out to our first group of fellows that we had in our community at grant making process Salam and I, Merritt Ray, Hema Chandra, Ann Marie Smith, Clarissa Harris and Ashley Cooper and so I just want to shout them out because they spent two years with Zedek doing some amazing work and developing some processes that were really great, and I don't know what we'll keep and what might change, but the work that they have done with Zedek has been very impactful, from funding summer programs to winter shelters. Thank you, guys for all the work that you did. We are so appreciative for you paving the way for this next cohort.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, that's a powerful lineup right there. Are there any things that you're afraid of Afraid?
Speaker 3:
of.
Speaker 2:
As we step into these conversations.
Speaker 3:
Hard conversations come with lots of big feelings. That's usually why they're hard. I don't know if fear is the right word, but I, I, I, I suppose would be a deep disappointment if we're not able to do our own individual self-work. I mentioned that earlier, me having to do self-work, have to do it all the time. Sometimes we have to really step away from ourselves, not to not remain true to ourselves or authentic to ourselves, but to understand that it's not just us Right, it's not just our vision. Our vision gets to be a part of it, but it has to be inclusive of others. Again, I would be deeply disappointed if we didn't have that happening in these conversations. Maybe that looks like having more mindfulness built into the conversations just to make sure that we're able to check in with ourselves, and maybe even check ourselves sometimes.
Speaker 3:
But yeah, I would say that's. I guess maybe a fear would be for me.
Speaker 1:
Well, you know, it's kind of odd that you ask that question, because I recently have been dealing with some stuff and talking with my brother and one of the things he always reminds me is to always come at any issue with two things empathy and inquiry. So my fear, I guess, would be that people would not be empathetic and won't be inquisitive. It's very easy to point fingers and, you know, want to be right. It's a little bit harder to put yourself in someone else's shoes and to understand why they feel how they feel, whatever that feeling might be, and then to be curious about why those things exist the way that they do, so that we can unpack them together and have greater understanding, which again leads to that whole clarity thing, right? So if I had a fear, it would be that people are not able to be empathetic with one another and to be curious and inquisitive. So that's just a little bit of insight as to some of the things that are going to be going on with Zedek Social Justice Fund in 2024.
Speaker 1:
I want to circle back, because I do want to also share that, in addition to us taking over 37 Monford Avenue, we are creating a little community space, and so we'll have more information about that really soon, but there will be an area within the building that community will have access to for meetings, for celebrations, for all types of stuff. So I want to share some other things that are happening in 2024. First and foremost, the Impact Awards will be opening in February, but wait, libby.
Speaker 2:
What are the Impact Awards?
Speaker 1:
But wait, libby. What are the Impact Awards? So the Impact Awards are $3,000 awards designed to honor individuals who have engaged in systems change or community healing work in the Asheville region, using the wisdom gained by directly navigating systems of oppression. In other words, you use your lived experience to navigate these systems of oppression and create change for yourself and your community. What is changing? We will award 10 instead of 14. We will continue to have three rounds and some of the language will change in the application.
Speaker 1:
There are still only three questions. How many questions? You ask? Three? Oh, wait there, only three. It's all good, three, three, and it really is important. I want to stress, stress, stress that you have to answer all three questions. They are not overly complicated questions. They're just about your lived experiences, who you collaborate with and what systems of oppression have had a hold on you and how you use that lived experience to address change in those areas. Y'all, if you could see me and my hands are moving, you know what. So the Impact Awards are opening up in February. We're excited about that process beginning and what else is happening.
Speaker 3:
Well, the Reparation Stakeholder Authority of Asheville will be meeting. Both our membership and our space shifters will be meeting, but separately. Our membership meeting will be on January 29th at 6 pm and there's an event right for that. So if you check out our Facebook page, the Reparations Stakeholder Authority of Asheville, you'll find out information on that, as well as the space shifter meeting, which will be January 31st at 6 pm, and that one is virtual.
Speaker 1:
Awesome. I'm going to back up to the Impact Awards one more time. If you have received an Impact Award within the past three years, you are not eligible. So check that out first. If you've received an Impact Award in the past three years, you're not eligible, but if it's been more than three years, come on. We welcome you back. Yes, because we know that work is happening all the time, all the time. Anything else we want to share?
Speaker 3:
I have a question, if I may ask, of all of us I'd love you to share. As we close out we're talking about the new year. What is the last act of self love or care you did for yourself?
Speaker 1:
Oh, my goodness, you would go there, wouldn't you? So my last self love act was actually Sunday. So I don't do new year's resolutions I think they suck but what I do is every year I evaluate my life and I look at where I need to do better, and self love was one of those areas where I feel like I always need to do better, and so this past Sunday, I had my third personal trainer workout. Hey, it was freaking awesome. I am tired, my body hurts in places that I did not know could hurt, but I feel absolutely amazing and I'm dedicated to this process of loving me as much as I love community and everything else in this world.
Speaker 2:
I'm looking forward to this Michelle Obama shoulders, I know. Just telling you Show us.
Speaker 1:
Ah Well, I don't want the shoulders. I want some other pieces of me to shape up, but I don't work on all of it.
Speaker 2:
Okay, I guess it means it's my turn.
Speaker 1:
Ah, is it my turn Self love.
Speaker 2:
Okay, today my wife and I went and officially unenrolled our child in first grade. My baby's on the spectrum, and this year has just been hard. And we've just learned that actually it's just not the best environment, which means, yay, I'm a teacher, so that will be interesting. But the relief and the joy that's come back into her, without the stress and anxiety, I mean I'm feeling like a thousand percent better.
Speaker 3:
Awesome, I'm excited yeah.
Speaker 2:
What about you, Tara?
Speaker 3:
That's a double, because it's a self love and family care. Mm-hmm, yeah, that's beautiful Mine is a lot lighter than that which is. I used to be a bath hater. I feel like it's sitting in water. What are we doing? And recently I have become a total bath queen. Like I have pulled out. Last night I had the best bath ever. I put I do the whole thing up. I put candles out. I that bath had chamomile, lavender, epsom salt, bath bombs, bubbles. I mean it was I could fuck on how much.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, I was really truly in my little soup. It was wonderful oh nice, a nice smelling little soup. Turn off the lights. I put on my zen water sounds. Playlist from Spotify.
Speaker 2:
You had water sounds in the bathroom.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, it's like zen and then trickling water and I'm like wow, this is why people sit in hot water.
Speaker 1:
I'm trying to tell you you and my daughter were getting along great.
Speaker 3:
You know, I don't know what it makes me now, but I'm fully in it. I'm thinking of putting together like little packages of you know how. How can we do like an expensive one? How can we do like a $10 max? Let's see what the dollar store is working with. What do we have over here? You know, most of my stuff came from the grocery store, actually because I wondered by. Oh, I did a face mask, you know I just, I was sitting there, I felt like the world had opened up for me and my tiny tub and everything was all right.
Speaker 1:
So, and let me introduce you to this place, just in case you don't know it. Okay, this is a place called five below. When I tell you, you can go in a five below and get all the bath goodies that you need.
Speaker 3:
I'm so excited for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, awesome, yeah like a new chapter in my life has just you know. The pages turn and here I am sitting in hot water, loving every minute of it.
Speaker 1:
Awesome, that is beautiful. That's beautiful. Well, thank you guys for joining us for another episode of the uplift. We appreciate you tuning in next month, same time, same place.